"In the previous message, Alan Hannan said..." > > [ ... extract of useless 'alert' deleted ... ] > > Not to be harsh, but the flow of information is still there, only now it > goes only to those who use it poorly. Knowledge is power, and right now, all > of these are known by a certain segment, and not known by another... Which > segment do you think needs to know more? Why, of course it is the self-appointed 'Chosen Few Who Are Our Protectors', in their Ivory Towers! They are the ones who, through their elite status, are qualified to make all our decisions for us, those Who Know Best What is Right for the rest of us mere mortals... Those who decide what sites are worthy of good info, and what ones are not.... NOT. Like you said, information is power. And Ivory Tower types do NOT like power in the hands of anybody but themselves. They think nobody but themselves are qualified (betcha you would hear them REALLY squack if the info blackout denied THEM info, too). If this is going to be the flavor of 8lgm-cum-CERT clone, I just as soon they would go away. One CERT is plenty, thank you. A dozen no-information 'alerts' are only a taunt, as I see it. Might be amusing to some (especially the cracker bunch), to see the rest of us frustrated for good info, but I ain't laughing. I wonder if they have sanitized their archives into utter uselessness, as well? In fact, they may well be COUNTER-productive: The cracker, with nothiing but time on his hands (and those of his buddies), eventually figures out the hole and makes an exploit for it (they often have little else to do). The legit working admin, with NO time on his hands, trying to keep systems under attack sane, gets screwed (as usual). Gotta remember, the site with net access has a massively greater level of exposure by virtue of that access - especially if they are a public access site - than the private office site with no outside access. I have yet to see any suggestion to ensure they get timely information. Perhaps the idea is to make sure they DON'T... And the Ivory Tower Obscurity/cloak-and-dagger advocates continue to pontificate, safe that THEY have the info denied to the rest of us while OTHER sites get broken into and compromised... Thanks a lot, Obscurity folks - fer NUTHIN'. Sounds a lot like how government bureaucrats operate in recent times, doesn't it? Lets see some of the same stuff the Obscurity folks ask of us: Verifiable evidence that their assertions are indeed valid, rather than just potification. -- pat@rwing [If all fails, try: rwing!pat@eskimo.com] Pat Myrto - Seattle WA "No one has the right to destroy another person's belief by demanding empirical evidence." -- Ann Landers, nationally syndicated advice columnist and Director at Handgun Control Inc.